Discussion:
Longest LP Side?
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-15 22:24:25 UTC
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I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.

I didn't know that lps could go that long without degredation. It's
on the "Brain" label, probably an original. The quality is quite
good, especially since it's an orchestral type piece with Wolfgang
Teipold on cello, accompanying Schulze.

Any thoughts?

Tracy Barber
Steven Sullivan
2003-10-15 22:58:56 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
Side two of "Todd Rundgren's Utopia' consists of just 'The Ikon",
which clocks in at 30:22, as was probably noted before.
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 00:25:05 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
Post by Steven Sullivan
Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
Side two of "Todd Rundgren's Utopia' consists of just 'The Ikon",
which clocks in at 30:22, as was probably noted before.
Yep, this is true. Have that one.

5 minutes ago, that was beat by "DyMagic" - Klaus Schulze - Side 4 -
from the Live album, 2 record set, on Brain records.

The time - 31:45.

In fact, he has another on that same album, "Sense" at 31:10.

Looks like we're into 32 minutes to top this one. This, if I
remember, is sort of a feat to do, right?

Anyone else have one?

Tracy Barber
greblracr
2003-10-16 00:46:48 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Looks like we're into 32 minutes to top this one.
My recollection is that Richard Tinti's disc in the Ariel Kalma/Richard Tinti
set "Osmose" was close to 40:00 per side. I think somebody posted the time
here about a year ago.

Of course, it's mostly (almost entirely) a recording of the Brazilian rain
forest, not music. Which reminds me, the Environments records started at 30:00
per side, except Environments 3 (side 1 = 34:00, side 2 = 37:00), Environments
4 (32:00/34:00), Environments 5 (20:00/34:00), Enviroments 6 (34:40/34:00),
Environments 7 (30:00/35:00), and Environments 8 (34:00/34:00). Maybe sound
effects don't count?
Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 03:46:31 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Post by Tracy Barber
Looks like we're into 32 minutes to top this one.
My recollection is that Richard Tinti's disc in the Ariel Kalma/Richard Tinti
set "Osmose" was close to 40:00 per side. I think somebody posted the time
here about a year ago.
Of course, it's mostly (almost entirely) a recording of the Brazilian rain
forest, not music. Which reminds me, the Environments records started at 30:00
per side, except Environments 3 (side 1 = 34:00, side 2 = 37:00), Environments
4 (32:00/34:00), Environments 5 (20:00/34:00), Enviroments 6 (34:40/34:00),
Environments 7 (30:00/35:00), and Environments 8 (34:00/34:00). Maybe sound
effects don't count?
No they don't. I was going to past that, because they cheat. :^P

Tracy Barber
greblracr
2003-10-16 00:17:16 UTC
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Post by Steven Sullivan
Side two of "Todd Rundgren's Utopia' consists of just 'The Ikon",
which clocks in at 30:22, as was probably noted before.
I just dubbed Reportaz's albums to CDR, and side two of the first LP is one
continuous 29:43 track. I had a heck of a time because my turntable kept
wanting to pick up the needle before it was over!
Cabeza Borradora
2003-10-16 01:04:57 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
I didn't know that lps could go that long without degredation. It's
on the "Brain" label, probably an original. The quality is quite
good, especially since it's an orchestral type piece with Wolfgang
Teipold on cello, accompanying Schulze.
This one again. Todd Rundgren, "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire", runs about 36
minutes, and is nearly inaudible.
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 03:48:30 UTC
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Post by Cabeza Borradora
Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
I didn't know that lps could go that long without degredation. It's
on the "Brain" label, probably an original. The quality is quite
good, especially since it's an orchestral type piece with Wolfgang
Teipold on cello, accompanying Schulze.
This one again. Todd Rundgren, "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire", runs about 36
minutes, and is nearly inaudible.
That's what you get for your $, eh? DyMagic sounds wonderful at a
little less than 32 minutes.

Maybe we should qualify it as audible or not?

Tracy Barber
cosmic j
2003-10-16 07:11:43 UTC
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Novalis - Konzerte clocks;
a side 31:50
b side 30:52
Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 12:26:12 UTC
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Post by cosmic j
Novalis - Konzerte clocks;
a side 31:50
Did apply, now beat!
Post by cosmic j
b side 30:52
Not close enough. Beat it out a few times already. :^)

Tracy Barber
Tom Wister
2003-10-16 17:11:03 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Post by cosmic j
Novalis - Konzerte clocks;
a side 31:50
Did apply, now beat!
Post by cosmic j
b side 30:52
Not close enough. Beat it out a few times already. :^)
Tracy Barber
Quiet music needs less space on a LP, which of course
means that more can be squeezed in.
As for the heavier stuff I can't think of any LP side longer
than side 2 of "Operation:Mindcrime", which clocks in at
33:41. (And yes, the sound *does* suffer....)

Tom
Jeff
2003-10-16 17:53:40 UTC
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Post by cosmic j
Novalis - Konzerte clocks;
a side 31:50
b side 30:52
Yep. This one always comes to mind when I think about long Lp sides.


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Pat Buzby
2003-10-16 23:31:57 UTC
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Post by Cabeza Borradora
This one again. Todd Rundgren, "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire", runs about 36
minutes, and is nearly inaudible.
I used to have this on CD and it wasn't inaudible, but, as much
as I like Todd, I would say it was pretty near unlistenable.

Pat Buzby
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greblracr
2003-10-16 23:45:15 UTC
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Post by Pat Buzby
I used to have this on CD and it wasn't inaudible, but, as much
as I like Todd, I would say it was pretty near unlistenable.
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2003-10-16 03:29:31 UTC
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***@SPAMadirondack-pc.com (Tracy Barber) wrote:

:I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
:people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
:listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.

Side 2 of Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_ is exactly 36 minutes long. And
there was a *lot* of degradation (on the vinyl version).

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Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 03:49:20 UTC
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Post by Mivarsh Faz
:I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
:people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
:listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
Side 2 of Todd Rundgren's _Initiation_ is exactly 36 minutes long. And
there was a *lot* of degradation (on the vinyl version).
Is that the same as the one I just read? I think I have that, but
I'll have to check. It may be on 8-track! Heh.


Tracy Barber
KGreene173
2003-10-16 05:27:58 UTC
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Gotcha all beat!

Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
Tracy Barber
2003-10-16 12:25:29 UTC
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Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
OK, I'll check that out. I do have that on vinyl.

Tracy Barber
A Cimino
2003-10-17 00:08:35 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
OK, I'll check that out. I do have that on vinyl.
Top this then...Heiner Goebbels' 'Die Befreiung des Prometheus' takes
up 44:32 on one album side (Riskant 1986)...
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
2003-10-16 12:30:36 UTC
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Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
Mahler's 5th Symphony complete on a single LP on Everest, mid-'70s:
one side weighs in at 42:35.

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Tracy Barber
2003-10-17 05:06:38 UTC
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Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
one side weighs in at 42:35.
But is it prog? :^)


Tracy Barber
Alex Temple
2003-10-17 17:53:47 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Post by Biffy the Elephant Shrew
Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
one side weighs in at 42:35.
But is it prog? :^)
If any pre-rock classical composer is prog, it's surely Mahler.
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-17 19:22:42 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:53:47 -0700, Alex Temple
Post by Alex Temple
Post by Tracy Barber
Post by Biffy the Elephant Shrew
Post by KGreene173
Gotcha all beat!
Side 4 of "An Evening with Herbie Hancock & Chick Corea" comes in at 35:26
one side weighs in at 42:35.
But is it prog? :^)
If any pre-rock classical composer is prog, it's surely Mahler.
Mahler rulez... Although I haven't heard much of him! :^)

My classical listening was based on prog leanings. Then, going back
to hear original scores was something else!

Tracy Barber
TheKobaian
2003-10-18 15:07:24 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Mahler rulez... Although I haven't heard much of him! :^)
Me neither, though a few years ago, I did attend a performance of the
"Resurrection" symphony by the Cleveland Orchestra and Chorus. I have a couple
CD's of his other symphonies. Very beautiful music.

But I still say Iggy Stravinsky is da man!
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2003-10-18 18:42:16 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Mahler rulez... Although I haven't heard much of him! :^)
Me neither, though a few years ago, I did attend a performance of the
"Resurrection" symphony by the Cleveland Orchestra and Chorus. I have a couple
CD's of his other symphonies. Very beautiful music.
But I still say Iggy Stravinsky is da man!
I'd take Stravinsky over Mahler any day, but come on -- how could the
first composer to write a symphony so long it won't fit on a single CD
be anything but prog?
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2003-10-18 15:05:09 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
But is it prog? :^)
If any pre-rock classical composer is prog, it's surely Mahler.
I would have said Stravinsky is the one. I mean, the guy invented heavy metal.
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2003-10-18 18:41:31 UTC
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Post by Alex Temple
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But is it prog? :^)
If any pre-rock classical composer is prog, it's surely Mahler.
I would have said Stravinsky is the one. I mean, the guy invented heavy metal.
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-18 16:03:43 UTC
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Post by Alex Temple
Post by Tracy Barber
But is it prog? :^)
If any pre-rock classical composer is prog, it's surely Mahler.
I would have said Stravinsky is the one. I mean, the guy invented heavy metal.
...and also opens for Yes shows...

Tracy Barber
TheKobaian
2003-10-19 19:00:47 UTC
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I would have said Stravinsky is the one. I mean, the guy invented heavy
metal.
...and also opens for Yes shows...
Ya know, I was thinking, when they did Yessymphonic tour last year, I remember
someone suggesting they should have the orchestra play The Firebird in it's
entirety (or at least one of the suites), instead of just finale, as a sort of
an opening act. But then someone else said that the quality of the orchestras
varied so much from performance to performance that she wouldn't have wanted to
hear Stravinsky being being massacred by an incompetent orchstra.
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-19 19:36:07 UTC
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I would have said Stravinsky is the one. I mean, the guy invented heavy
metal.
...and also opens for Yes shows...
Ya know, I was thinking, when they did Yessymphonic tour last year, I remember
someone suggesting they should have the orchestra play The Firebird in it's
entirety (or at least one of the suites), instead of just finale, as a sort of
an opening act. But then someone else said that the quality of the orchestras
varied so much from performance to performance that she wouldn't have wanted to
hear Stravinsky being being massacred by an incompetent orchstra.
In the hands of skilled musicians, that might have been a cool
evening.

Tracy Barber
greblracr
2003-10-19 19:54:51 UTC
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she wouldn't have wanted to hear
Stravinsky being being massacred by
an incompetent orchestra.
In the hands of skilled musicians, that
might have been a cool evening.
Portsmouth Sinfonia plays an absolutely smashing version.
TheKobaian
2003-10-20 01:39:39 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
In the hands of skilled musicians, that might have been a cool
evening.
Yeah, the problem is, each night you had a different orchestra. You might get a
beautiful rendition one night, and a sub par one the following night.
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R. Totale
2003-10-16 12:38:24 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
Let's play it at 45 instead - there's a Fripp B-side I can't find
right now with an unpronounceable name and a frightening length (I'm
sure someone here can fill in both) - are there any longer ones?
-= H.=-
2003-10-16 18:58:04 UTC
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Miles Davis' 'He Loved Him Madly' is over 32min on
the original LP (Get Up with It) as well, or?
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Ville Sinkko
2003-10-16 20:16:35 UTC
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Post by -= H.=-
Miles Davis' 'He Loved Him Madly' is over 32min on
the original LP (Get Up with It) as well, or?
Yes, and Calypso Frelimo on the same album is only a few seconds shorter.
Great album as well, I think I'll stick in the player right now.





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3243
2003-10-16 21:38:17 UTC
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All I know is it's too bad CDs did not exist 30-35 years ago. Could
you imagine Jimi Hendrix or Ash Ra Tempel having CDs to record on?
greblracr
2003-10-16 22:55:52 UTC
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Post by 3243
All I know is it's too bad CDs did not exist 30-35 years ago. Could
you imagine Jimi Hendrix or Ash Ra Tempel having CDs to record on?
Well John Coltrane and Miles Davis and Sun Ra and probably lots of other folks
were famous for 60+ minute continuous songs.
Alex Van Starrex
2003-10-17 01:00:42 UTC
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...no-one's mentioned classical music, so far (unless I've skipped too many
posts), so...

ASV recording of Stravinsky's Apollo and Orpheus. Average 31:36 minutes per
side (I'm looking at the CD, but have the LP as well).

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Post by 3243
All I know is it's too bad CDs did not exist 30-35 years ago. Could
you imagine Jimi Hendrix or Ash Ra Tempel having CDs to record on?
Well John Coltrane and Miles Davis and Sun Ra and probably lots of other folks
were famous for 60+ minute continuous songs.
Stefan
2003-10-21 05:26:38 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:00:42 +1000, "Alex Van Starrex"
Post by Alex Van Starrex
...no-one's mentioned classical music, so far (unless I've skipped too many
posts), so...
ASV recording of Stravinsky's Apollo and Orpheus. Average 31:36 minutes per
side (I'm looking at the CD, but have the LP as well).
I've got a 2 LP set of the four Brahms symphonies by the NDR Symphony
Orchestra conducted by Günter Wand (EMI deutsche harmonia mundi,
1983). Each side runs 43:21 - 39:40 - 35:03 - 38:21, respectively.
It's German pressing, and not to say a bad word about the sound
quality.

Stefan
Cabeza Borradora
2003-10-17 04:37:33 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Post by 3243
All I know is it's too bad CDs did not exist 30-35 years ago. Could
you imagine Jimi Hendrix or Ash Ra Tempel having CDs to record on?
Well John Coltrane and Miles Davis and Sun Ra and probably lots of other folks
were famous for 60+ minute continuous songs.
Sun Ra never did a song longer than 60 minutes that I know of. He _would_ do
marathon concerts without stopping, but there were... oh, wait, there's that
one time he played "Walking on the Moon" for an hour in the '80s, and in the
middle of it went out in the audience to spank people. So he did do it
occasionally, but generally I think he's pretty well-represented on record.
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TheKobaian
2003-10-18 15:17:54 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Well John Coltrane and Miles Davis and Sun Ra and probably lots of other
folks
Post by greblracr
were famous for 60+ minute continuous songs.
It's believed that Coltrane reailly only did the 60 minute songs during the
last year or two of his life, as heard on Live In Japan, though even before
that, he did have a tendency to stretch his improvs to great lengths.

I can never remember who it was, but I saw a documentary once where one of the
drummers who played with him was telling a story of how one night a drumstick
slipped out of his hand (I guess he was sweatier than usual due to some
especially bright lights that night or something) and hit Coltrane in the back
of his head. In the middle of a solo.

So, after the show, the drummer apologizes to Trane, tells him it was an
accident, and Trane says "Accident? I thought you were trying to tell me to
knock it off with the 20 minute solos!".

I've never heard of Miles playing songs that were anywhere near that long,
though the double live album Pangaea consists of two extended tracks (each
clocking in around 40-44 minutes). But I if you listen to the music, the mooods
and rhythms and everything change so much, one wonders if it could have just
been divided up differently.

On one of the live albums that were reissued in the mid 90's (I think it's
Live/Evil, but I'm not sure), one of the guys who was in his band at the time
said that they never had any titles for any of the pieces they played (or if
they did, Miles never said "This is called such and such"), and they never had
a set list. Miles would just start playing something and off they'd go.

I've never heard of Sun Ra playing a single song for 60 minutes, but it's not
beyond the realm of imagination to believe that he did. I have that Space Is
The Place LP where he fills the entire side of the album with the title track.
I can easily see him doing it or one of his other space chants (say, Walking On
The Moon or We Travel The Spaceways) for another 40 minutes, then giving some
cosmo-philosophical explanation of why they did it that way that particular
night.
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Michael Fell
2003-10-17 01:43:41 UTC
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Close to the edge.:-) Try playing it by ear.:-)

Mike
Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
I didn't know that lps could go that long without degredation. It's
on the "Brain" label, probably an original. The quality is quite
good, especially since it's an orchestral type piece with Wolfgang
Teipold on cello, accompanying Schulze.
Any thoughts?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
2003-10-17 05:08:07 UTC
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Post by Michael Fell
Close to the edge.:-) Try playing it by ear.:-)
Eh?
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Mike
Post by Tracy Barber
I know we were talking about this before. I don't remember what
people thought was the longest side they know about, but I I'm
listening to "Dune" by Klaus Schulze and it it 30:06.
I didn't know that lps could go that long without degredation. It's
on the "Brain" label, probably an original. The quality is quite
good, especially since it's an orchestral type piece with Wolfgang
Teipold on cello, accompanying Schulze.
Any thoughts?
Tracy Barber
Tracy Barber
Jon Meltzer
2003-10-17 15:20:09 UTC
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Miles Davis' 1975 release "Get Up With It" has two side long tracks that are
at least 30 minutes long. And, yes, there's audio degradation and hiss.
greblracr
2003-10-17 15:26:30 UTC
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Post by Jon Meltzer
Miles Davis' 1975 release "Get Up With It" has two side long tracks that are
at least 30 minutes long. And, yes, there's audio degradation and hiss.
Hiss would not result from long LP sides.
Steven Sullivan
2003-10-17 15:40:32 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Post by Jon Meltzer
Miles Davis' 1975 release "Get Up With It" has two side long tracks that are
at least 30 minutes long. And, yes, there's audio degradation and hiss.
Hiss would not result from long LP sides.
Crappy mid-70's vinyl would be one likely culprit there.
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greblracr
2003-10-17 21:29:32 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Hiss would not result from long LP sides.
Crappy mid-70's vinyl would be one likely culprit there.
My local classical station uses the term "fireside recordings" -- lots of
snaps, crackles and pops. I usually associate the term "hiss" with continuous
hi-freq noise as in cheap tape recorders.
Mike Dickson
2003-10-18 10:25:46 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Post by Steven Sullivan
Crappy mid-70's vinyl would be one likely culprit there.
My local classical station uses the term "fireside recordings" -- lots of
snaps, crackles and pops.
Something I associate with Polydor and their 'Rolf Harris Wobbleboard'
pressings. I've got one that it so think it loomks dark brown when you
hold it up to the light. You can even see the shadow of your hand on the
other side shining through. I'm surprised that playing it doesn't play
the other side backwards at the same time.

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2003-10-18 23:19:59 UTC
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I've got one that it so think it loomks
dark brown
That sentence took me quite a while to figure out.
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I'm
surprised that playing it doesn't play the other side backwards at
the same time.
Unless the other side plays inside-out for some reason, it wouldn't be
backwards.

Markus
Mivarsh Faz
2003-10-19 07:52:11 UTC
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***@blackcat..demon..co..uk (Mike Dickson) wrote:

:Something I associate with Polydor and their 'Rolf Harris Wobbleboard'
:pressings. I've got one that it so think it loomks dark brown when you
:hold it up to the light. You can even see the shadow of your hand on the
:other side shining through.

I had an old A&M copy of Simple Minds' _New Gold Dream_ just like
that.

:I'm surprised that playing it doesn't play
:the other side backwards at the same time.

No, that would be the RCA Dynaflex™ releases from the early-mid
70's. ;-{)>

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Biffy the Elephant Shrew
2003-10-19 13:29:18 UTC
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:Something I associate with Polydor and their 'Rolf Harris Wobbleboard'
:pressings. I've got one that it so think it loomks dark brown when you
:hold it up to the light. You can even see the shadow of your hand on the
:other side shining through.
I had an old A&M copy of Simple Minds' _New Gold Dream_ just like
that.
That actually can be a sign that the pressing is *good* quality. Virgin
vinyl is transparent, you know. Audiophile pressings typically are
see-through brown--try holding any Mobile Fidelity LP up to the light.

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TheKobaian
2003-10-19 19:03:36 UTC
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That actually can be a sign that the pressing is *good* quality. Virgin
vinyl is transparent, you know. Audiophile pressings typically are
see-through brown--try holding any Mobile Fidelity LP up to the light.
Ya know, i read somewhere that when they made those clear vinyl pressings you
saw occasionally, they had to use virgin vinyl, because otherwise it would like
there was an oil slick on the disc, I think.

Which reminds me of my copy of Styx's Paradise Theatre, which has the band's
name spelled out in this weird, multi-coloured logo in the vinyl itself on one
side of the record. Weird, huh?
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Tracy Barber
2003-10-19 19:37:20 UTC
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Post by Biffy the Elephant Shrew
That actually can be a sign that the pressing is *good* quality. Virgin
vinyl is transparent, you know. Audiophile pressings typically are
see-through brown--try holding any Mobile Fidelity LP up to the light.
Ya know, i read somewhere that when they made those clear vinyl pressings you
saw occasionally, they had to use virgin vinyl, because otherwise it would like
there was an oil slick on the disc, I think.
Which reminds me of my copy of Styx's Paradise Theatre, which has the band's
name spelled out in this weird, multi-coloured logo in the vinyl itself on one
side of the record. Weird, huh?
Be Bop Deluxe - "Live in the Air Age" on white vinyl.

Synergy had a clear one.

There's always something, eh?

Tracy Barber
gondola bob
2003-10-19 22:53:34 UTC
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Be Bop Deluxe - "Live in the Air Age" on white vinyl.
Synergy had a clear one.
There's always something, eh?
I was just trying to think of colored-vinyl things I own, and the list
is very short.

Umm....

Flaming Lips/Hear It Is on white vinyl
Flaming Lips/first EP on psychedelic-magenta vinyl (this would draw a
nifty EBay price, I bet)
A Butthole Surfers promotional 10-inch on brown vinyl
Kate Bush/Hounds of Love on "marble" vinyl

I recall a really neat clearish-vinyl pressing of the Buttholes'
Psychic...Powerless...Another Man's Sac album which had sort of an
against-the-grain, counterswirl effect when it spun on a turntable, but
my own copy is basic black.

If there are any more in my collection, I can't recall them. Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
TheKobaian
2003-10-20 01:45:40 UTC
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Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
I have a pink vinyl copy of Tori Amos' Under The Pink.

My parents used to have a record of dixieland music that was on yellow vinyl.
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2003-10-20 15:01:25 UTC
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Post by gondola bob
Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
I have a pink vinyl copy of Tori Amos' Under The Pink.
I've got a blue maxi vinyl-edition of Sam Fox's Touch Me (blue mix)...

And Samantha has got a great tripple 7" set.
Each 7" is rectangular instead of circular and when you lay them next to
each other it becomes a picure of Sam.

-magnus
greblracr
2003-10-20 16:24:02 UTC
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I might have something on *pink* vinyl,
Didn't Warner Bros release a "loss-leader" sampler called "No Bologna" or
something where the vinyl looked like, well, you know?
TheKobaian
2003-10-20 17:43:00 UTC
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I've got a blue maxi vinyl-edition of Sam Fox's Touch Me (blue mix)..
Ya know, that reminds I read years ago that Hawkwind did a cover of Gimme
Shelter, with Sam on vocals, and they were billed as Foxwind (get it?). It was
for some charity single. That's one of the very few legit Hawkwind recordings
from before about 92 or 93 that I don't have. Wish I could track down a copy.
I'm sure it's pretty sick.
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2003-10-20 19:27:00 UTC
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Post by TheKobaian
I have a pink vinyl copy of Tori Amos' Under The Pink.
I've got a blue maxi vinyl-edition of Sam Fox's Touch Me (blue mix)...
Dunno if I've related this story before, but I bought my mixer off the
guy whose former band-partner wrote this song. They toiled away for
years as a 'vaguely proggy' two-piece playing to diminishing audiences
when one day this bloke sat on the toilet and dreamed up 'Touch Me' in
twenty minutes. He offered it to a publishing company who got Ms Fox to
record it, which came as a bit of a shock to him. He still gets
substantial royalties off this record and really never has to work
again.

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TheKobaian
2003-10-21 05:48:25 UTC
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Post by Mike Dickson
Dunno if I've related this story before, but I bought my mixer off the
guy whose former band-partner wrote this song. They toiled away for
years as a 'vaguely proggy' two-piece playing to diminishing audiences
when one day this bloke sat on the toilet and dreamed up 'Touch Me' in
twenty minutes. He offered it to a publishing company who got Ms Fox to
record it, which came as a bit of a shock to him. He still gets
substantial royalties off this record and really never has to work
again.
THAT'S IT!!! All I have to do is write a catchy ditty, have a hot sexy woman
record it, have it become a huge international hit ("Number one in all nation's
of the world" as Chris Squire once described Video Killed The Radio Star) and
then I can tell my boss to take this job and shove it!
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Senor Velasco
2003-10-21 14:50:29 UTC
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Post by magnus
I've got a blue maxi vinyl-edition of Sam Fox's Touch Me (blue mix)...
And Samantha has got a great tripple 7" set.
She had a great *double* 42-inch set as well.


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Cabeza Borradora
2003-10-20 03:16:05 UTC
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Post by gondola bob
If there are any more in my collection, I can't recall them. Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
Pink Floyd's Animals was issued on pink vinyl.

I have the Faust eponymous on clear vinyl, clear sleeve, clear everything!
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gondola bob
2003-10-20 06:38:31 UTC
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Post by gondola bob
Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
Pink Floyd's Animals was issued on pink vinyl.
That's not the album I'm thinking of, though I do still have Animals on
vinyl rather than CD.
TheKobaian
2003-10-20 17:39:18 UTC
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Post by Cabeza Borradora
Pink Floyd's Animals was issued on pink vinyl.
That's not the album I'm thinking of, though I do still have Animals on
vinyl rather than CD.
Perhap's you're thinking of (wait for it) Planet P Project's Pink World, a
double LP concept album from the mid 80's from Tony Carey, the former
keyboardist of Rainbow.

The crazy thing is, at the same time that Carey was doing this sort of almost
Pink Floyd sounding stuff under the Planet P banner, he was releasing these
sort of Springsteen-y albums under his own name.

I recently saw the video for Do You See What I See and Behind The Barrier (they
show them back to back, like it's a single song, MTV did that back in the day,
as well) on VH-1 Classic. Really trippy stuff. I remember seeing it back in the
day, thinking how spooky looking the skeletons in the military regalia were.
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TheKobaian
2003-10-20 17:36:16 UTC
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Post by Cabeza Borradora
I have the Faust eponymous on clear vinyl, clear sleeve, clear everything!
Me too, though I think my copy is a reissue. Conversely, I also have So Far,
with the black cover, black vinyl, black everything! :-)
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Arby
2003-10-20 12:26:08 UTC
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If there are any more in my collection, I can't recall them. Seems like
I might have something on *pink* vinyl, but I can't recall what it is....
Planet P - Pink World ?
TheKobaian
2003-10-20 01:44:21 UTC
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Post by TheKobaian
Which reminds me of my copy of Styx's Paradise Theatre, which has the band's
name spelled out in this weird, multi-coloured logo in the vinyl itself on
one
Post by TheKobaian
side of the record. Weird, huh?
Be Bop Deluxe - "Live in the Air Age" on white vinyl.
Synergy had a clear one.
Yeah, and I hear the clear vinyl copies of that particular Synergy album (I
think it's Cords we're talking about) are actually more common than the
conventional black vinyl, because they only put out the black vinyl as promo
copies. HUH?!

I remember a Tom Petty single back in the early 80's that was pressed on red
vinyl, the one time I saw it, I didn't have the money for it, and never saw it
again.

I do have a single of ELO's Sweet Talkin' Woman (B-side: an edited Fire On
High) on blue vinyl.

And I once saw a Led Zep bootleg that was on multi-colour vinyl, kinda looked
those 'confetti" coloured guitar picks that Fender makes.

And then, of course, there's picture discs, and just plain weird shit like The
Police single I have (Don't Stand So Close To Me, b/w De Doo Doo De Dah Dah)
which is shaped like a star. I also remember there was one that was shaped like
a police badge.
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Box0
2003-10-20 02:27:34 UTC
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And I once saw a Led Zep bootleg that was on multi-colour vinyl
years ago i had a Zep boot called 'Mudslide' in clear orange vinyl. plain
orange cover with pig/"Trademark of Quality" stamp
Tracy Barber
2003-10-20 02:48:43 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Post by TheKobaian
Which reminds me of my copy of Styx's Paradise Theatre, which has the band's
name spelled out in this weird, multi-coloured logo in the vinyl itself on
one
Post by TheKobaian
side of the record. Weird, huh?
Be Bop Deluxe - "Live in the Air Age" on white vinyl.
Synergy had a clear one.
Yeah, and I hear the clear vinyl copies of that particular Synergy album (I
think it's Cords we're talking about) are actually more common than the
conventional black vinyl, because they only put out the black vinyl as promo
copies. HUH?!
Cords is correct, come to think of it. Heh. Give away the crappy
copies.
Post by TheKobaian
I remember a Tom Petty single back in the early 80's that was pressed on red
vinyl, the one time I saw it, I didn't have the money for it, and never saw it
again.
I do have a single of ELO's Sweet Talkin' Woman (B-side: an edited Fire On
High) on blue vinyl.
Seen a Prism album on blue vinyl. Not much prog, but could be
borderline.
Post by TheKobaian
And I once saw a Led Zep bootleg that was on multi-colour vinyl, kinda looked
those 'confetti" coloured guitar picks that Fender makes.
And then, of course, there's picture discs, and just plain weird shit like The
Police single I have (Don't Stand So Close To Me, b/w De Doo Doo De Dah Dah)
which is shaped like a star. I also remember there was one that was shaped like
a police badge.
Those are sales propaganda items. I steer clear of those. I wan the
music, not the plastic! :^)

Tracy Barber
greblracr
2003-10-20 03:37:35 UTC
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Faust's first LP was clear vinyl, with a clear cover and clear lyric sheet.

Curved Air's first album "Air Conditioning" (1970) originally came in a clear
cover with the cover stamped into the vinyl (actually it is clear vinyl with a
cardboard sandwich...)

Saturnalia's "Magical Love" did the same thing.
http://www.collectable-records.ru/groups/saturnalia/

Dave Mason's first solo album was pressed in multi-colored vinyl -- looked like
melted down toys. Sounded like it too.

Back in the 1950's (for you kids too young to remember) there were lots of
children's 45s pressed in colors - red, yellow, blue, green, etc.
magnus
2003-10-20 14:56:36 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Faust's first LP was clear vinyl, with a clear cover and clear lyric sheet.
Curved Air's first album "Air Conditioning" (1970) originally came in a clear
cover with the cover stamped into the vinyl (actually it is clear vinyl with a
cardboard sandwich...)
So called "picture-disc"?

-magnus
R. Totale
2003-10-20 15:07:28 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Faust's first LP was clear vinyl, with a clear cover and clear lyric
sheet.
Post by greblracr
Curved Air's first album "Air Conditioning" (1970) originally came in a
clear
Post by greblracr
cover with the cover stamped into the vinyl (actually it is clear vinyl
with a
Post by greblracr
cardboard sandwich...)
So called "picture-disc"?
Yeah. There was a Pere Ubu (or David Thomas?) single on Recommended
that was a picture disc, too - I remember being surprised that they
did this as it was expensive and didn't add anything to the music,
didn't seem like a real Socialist Worker way to do things.

Hillage's "Rainbow Dome Music" was clear, too.
Mike Dickson
2003-10-20 16:35:13 UTC
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Faust's first LP was clear vinyl, with a clear cover and clear lyric sheet.
Well...the ReR reissue was.

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greblracr
2003-10-20 18:34:48 UTC
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Well...the ReR reissue was.
So as the first Polydor press. The ReR was a pretty good copy though -- the
only thing they screwed up was printing on the LP's inner label. The original
is embossed instead of printed.
Senor Velasco
2003-10-21 14:49:14 UTC
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Post by Tracy Barber
Be Bop Deluxe - "Live in the Air Age" on white vinyl.
Synergy had a clear one.
There's always something, eh?
Grand Funk released some copies of _We're an American Band_ on yellow vinyl.

FWIW.


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magnus
2003-10-20 15:03:47 UTC
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The fourth side of Ozric Tentacles' "Arborescence" is really short... Just
like a wide spiral towards the centrum...

Any others?

-magnus bruheim
greblracr
2003-10-20 16:20:42 UTC
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Post by magnus
The fourth side of Ozric Tentacles' "Arborescence" is really short... Just
like a wide spiral towards the centrum...
Any others?
I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
Boil That
2003-10-20 18:46:26 UTC
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I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
I think that describes "Alcohol" - the single record that was stuck in the
sleeve of the vinyl reissue of "Sort Of" by Slapp Happy. That was a fun
surprise.

MK

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gondola bob
2003-10-20 21:32:30 UTC
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Side 4 of Dylan's Blonde on Blonde is one song lasting 11 minutes or
so.....
greblracr
2003-10-20 23:05:20 UTC
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I think that describes "Alcohol" - the single record that was stuck in the
sleeve of the vinyl reissue of "Sort Of" by Slapp Happy.
Sounds like a distinct possibility. Thanks!
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
2003-10-21 01:52:25 UTC
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Post by greblracr
I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a
stylus
Post by greblracr
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops
and
Post by greblracr
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
I think that describes "Alcohol" - the single record that was stuck in the
sleeve of the vinyl reissue of "Sort Of" by Slapp Happy. That was a fun
surprise.
I don't think that's it. The B-side of "Alcohol" has a drawing of
grapevines etched in the vinyl. No warning on the label.

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Biffy the Elephant Shrew
2003-10-21 02:01:03 UTC
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I don't think that's it. The B-side of "Alcohol" has a drawing of
grapevines etched in the vinyl. No warning on the label.
Oops--there *is* a warning, but it's rubber-stamped on the
inner sleeve (yes, the single has both a picture sleeve and an
inner sleeve), not the label.

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Pat Buzby
2003-10-20 17:23:37 UTC
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The fourth side of Ozric Tentacles' "Arborescence" is really short... Just
like a wide spiral towards the centrum...
Perhaps not prog, but side four of Keith Jarrett's Koln Concert
(7 minutes).

Then there are the albums with no fourth side: Johnny Winter's
Second Winter, Jarrett's Eyes of the Heart...

Pat Buzby
Chicago, IL
Ville Sinkko
2003-10-20 17:55:18 UTC
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Post by magnus
The fourth side of Ozric Tentacles' "Arborescence" is really short... Just
like a wide spiral towards the centrum...
Perhaps not prog, but side four of Keith Jarrett's Koln Concert
(7 minutes).
I have a Fela Kuti/Africa '70 reissue 2-on-1 CD, consisting of the albums
Unknown Soldier and Coffin for Head of State. The latter clocks 22:42 in its
entirety, the original albums' sides being merged into continuous tracks for the CD.
I've heard that a lot of Fela's original LP's (sic) were in the 20-25-minute range.

If Kronos Quartet's 1991 rendition of Lutoslawski's string quartet was released
on LP, side A clocks in at 8'33". I've only seen a CD though, obnoxiously for a
23-minute album full-priced.






555
TheKobaian
2003-10-21 05:45:55 UTC
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Then there are the albums with no fourth side: Johnny Winter's
Second Winter, Jarrett's Eyes of the Heart...
I read that there was talk at one point that Genesis Live was supposed to be
like that. Side three was gonna be Supper's Ready, and side four was gonna be
blank (because apparently, Supper's Ready plus the songs that are one sides one
and two comprised the entire setlist for the Foxtrot tour). Supposedly, this
was ruled against because it would have been too expensive, and if the album
had flopped it would have been the end of Genesis AND Charisma Records.
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2003-10-21 15:10:50 UTC
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Then there are the albums with no fourth side: Johnny Winter's
Second Winter, Jarrett's Eyes of the Heart...
Motorpsycho's "Timothy's Monster" is without a sixth side...
Those progrock-wannabes wanted to release a tripple album so bad, even
though they didn't have enough matherial. Stupid.

-magnus
TheKobaian
2003-10-21 15:26:21 UTC
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Motorpsycho's "Timothy's Monster" is without a sixth side...
Those progrock-wannabes wanted to release a tripple album so bad, even
though they didn't have enough matherial. Stupid.
They could have saved themselves the money, put out a double LP (that would
have been "prog" enough, wouldn't it?), then save the other material as bonus
tracks for the CD reissue. ;-)

So, who or what is Motorpsycho? I don't know that one. When did it come out?
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2003-10-21 20:12:58 UTC
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So, who or what is Motorpsycho? I don't know that one. When did it come out?
Timothy's Monster was released on Harvest in 1994.

They started out in 1991 as a hardrock-band with occational softer sides,
sometimes making 10 minutes "epic"-stuff (Demon Box), Floydesqe/echoes, with
tons of fuzz and noise.
Later, around 1996 (Blissard), they moved completely into pop orientated
stuff. But they are a bit versatile, so the occational "epic"-song still
pops up (Have Spacesuit Will Travel).
Now, around 2000 (Let them eat cake), they are experimenting with more
complex arrangement, but usually ends up sounding like brit-pop with a hint
of Yes.

They have got an impressing discography with several releases a year, nice
conceptual cover-art, experimenting with various release-versions (different
covers, deluxe-boxes, limited edition-stuff).
But prog? No.
Their EP Have Space Suit Will Travel (1997) is shamelessly dedicated to Sun
Ra! It's a great song, but has nothing to do with Sun Ra.
Live they are a bit more interessting, jamming improvising, kraut-space
style, but ends up sounding like "Variations over E".

Recomendations:
Demon Box (1993)
Angels and Daemons at Play (1997)
Roadworks vol 2, Live (2000)
Phanerotyme (2001)

And probably the most extensive, fanbased site in the world.
They have got very dedicated fans!
http://motorpsycho.fix.no/

-magnus bruheim
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
2003-10-21 01:56:35 UTC
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Side 6 of _Concert for Bangla Desh_ runs a whopping 7:19.

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Anthony Nance
2003-10-21 12:51:38 UTC
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Side 6 of _Concert for Bangla Desh_ runs a whopping 7:19.
Exactly the one that came to my mind. I don't believe I have
any shorter LP sides than this one.

Tony
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2003-10-20 19:34:26 UTC
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Any others?
I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!

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gondola bob
2003-10-20 21:02:27 UTC
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The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!
The shortest albums I own are probably a few of those earliest 1962-63
Beach Boys records. Except that I have them on two-fer CDs, so....
TheKobaian
2003-10-21 05:16:42 UTC
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The shortest albums I own are probably a few of those earliest 1962-63
Beach Boys records. Except that I have them on two-fer CDs, so...
A lot of the old Sun Ra records from the early 60's appear to clock in at under
a half hour, judging by the twofer CD's that Evidence issued back around 92-93
(some of which actually appeared when Ra was actually still with us).

A Love Supreme (by John Coltrane) is like a half hour long, and so is Dressed
To Kill by Kiss.
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Fredrikkkkk
2003-10-21 19:36:42 UTC
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Post by gondola bob
The shortest albums I own are probably a few of those earliest 1962-63
Beach Boys records. Except that I have them on two-fer CDs, so...
A lot of the old Sun Ra records from the early 60's appear to clock in at under
a half hour, judging by the twofer CD's that Evidence issued back around 92-93
(some of which actually appeared when Ra was actually still with us).
A Love Supreme (by John Coltrane) is like a half hour long, and so is Dressed
To Kill by Kiss.
Franco Battiato's _Fetus_ is about 29 minutes long.

Fredrikkkkk.
greblracr
2003-10-20 23:07:54 UTC
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Post by Mike Dickson
The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!
"The Best of Olivia Newton John"?
TheKobaian
2003-10-21 05:14:23 UTC
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The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!
I was gonna say it might be Frank Zappa In New York, after Warners forced him
to drop Punky's Whips because they were afraid they were gonna get sued by
Punky Meadows (the guitarist from a band called Angel...the song is apparently
about Terry Bozzio's fixation with a nude photo of Punky that appeared in a
Japanese magazine).

So, after the first pressing, the subsequent pressings all had like a 10 minute
LP side, because this extended comedy routine got dropped, and Warners didn't
bother putting anything in it's place (note that the track and several others
appear on both the Barking Pumpkin and Rykodisc CD reissues, and at least on
the Barking Pumpkin version, Punky's Whips wasn't counted as a bonus track).

But you say there's one that's like 4 minutes, and I can't think of what that
could be.

I remember Sting's second solo album (Nothing Like The Sun or whatever it was
called) was released as a double LP, with the intention giving those who didn't
yet own CD players the chance to get maximum fidelity with the older
technology.

But I'm guessing that's not the answer either.
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Mivarsh Faz
2003-10-21 06:01:39 UTC
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***@blackcat..demon..co..uk (Mike Dickson) wrote:

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:> >Any others?
:>
:> I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
:> of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
:> curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
:
:The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
:was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
:guess it!

The Ryko clear-vinyl reissue of _Man of Words, Man of Music
(Space Oddity)_ by David Bowie perhaps? It had a couple of short
single tracks on a seperate slab of 12" virgin vinyl.

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Yesstiles
2003-10-21 07:35:37 UTC
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The Beach Boys' 1968 "Friends" album, one of the best albums ever, has Lp sides
of about 12-13 minutes.
Hugh Macpherson
2003-10-20 21:19:02 UTC
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Post by greblracr
Post by magnus
Any others?
I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!
I can think of three kinda off the wall candidates.

Joe Jackson released a double live LP called Big World in 1986. Except he
only had enough music for three sides. Side four is blank.

How about the early 80s LPs, The Wit and The Wisdom of Ronald Reagan or The
Wit and The Wisdom of Margaret Thatcher.

One side for wit, one side for wisdom.

All sides were blank

Hugh
Christopher J Currie
2003-10-21 20:37:34 UTC
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Post by greblracr
I have a single -- name escapes me now -- where somebody simply took a stylus
of some sort and DREW a groove onto the B side -- goes through some loops and
curlicues, too. The label warns "Do not try to play this side!"
The shortest LP side ever was probably four minutes and six seconds and
was retailed as a full price album, but I doubt that anyone here will
guess it!
Could this involve Teenage Jesus & The Jerks, or some similar no-wave/
noise-art project?


Christopher

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